Liana Werner-Gray: [00:04:29] Thanks, Maria. Thanks for having me on again. Very happy to be here, though, of course.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:05:08] Yes, well, our diet plays a huge part in it, like literally we are an imprint of the foods we eat and the environment that we live in. The thoughts that we think and you know, we are predisposed to certain genetics as well. So all of that plays a factor in getting cancer. So now that we know that these days, you know, there’s a lot of great studies that are out there that sure that our diet actually is a factor of getting cancer and we can take that control back into our hands and start to eat the right foods to reduce our chances of ever getting cancer. And if someone does have cancer, increase the chances of being able to heal cancer and living cancer free for the rest of their life.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:05:58] Yes. That was definitely a shock in my life. Like, I didn’t grow up thinking, oh, one day I’ll be faced with a tumor and cancer will be in my path. So I believe that that happened because of my diet. So I grew up in outback Australia, which is very natural and can really get more natural than that. So I learned a lot from the Aboriginal people at my school. There was a half white people, half Aboriginal people, and from age five, I remember learning from them that the healthiest way for us to eat was to go out to our own backyard and be able to pick foods straight from the bush or the plant or the tree. And I looked at the Aboriginal people and thought, well, they’re not overweight. They didn’t have any obesity problem. There was no such thing as diabetes in the Aboriginal community or cancer. The cancer rates were zero percent. So I was like, OK, well, this totally makes sense. So I should just eat straight from the earth. And then when I was 17, I moved to Brisbane City to go to university. And when I started to indulge in junk food and that very fast food, processed food lifestyle, it was just so easy, you know, being at university, being away from home, not having any family members to hold me accountable, to eat healthy.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:07:07] So I just grabbed myself from this junk food, vicious eating cycle, became addicted very quickly. And then after five years of that, I ended up with a 3.7 centimeter tumor in my throat. So I was in hospital to did a biopsy and the results came back. And I actually had three different diagnoses. But I had very early stages of cancer. And, you know, this golf ball sized lump was just sticking out of my neck. So that was my wake up call. And personally and intuitively, I knew, OK, I have this in my throat because I have been basically trashing and destroy my body for the past five years. So once I realized that, I was able to say, OK, well, now I need to change my diet, go back to my roots, go back to nature and start to heal my body, which is what I did, and started to drain out the tumour.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:08:06] So I decided to eat real foods for everything that I was craving. So if I was craving chocolate or if I was craving cookie dough or chicken nuggets or burgers, basically I would go and make it using wholesome natural ingredients. So, for example, I would make chocolate bowls with cocoa powder like real cow powder and some almond flour and then some honey or maple syrup. And then I’d sometimes I would add peanut butter or almond butter. And so I was eating a lot of chocolate. Like chocolate was one of my number one foods that I attribute to my healing of eating out every single day because that kind of chocolate was providing my body with so many nutrients and so much magnesium. And it was making me feel happy and excited. So basically just eating real foods a bit. Every single thing that I thought, OK, I want to eat this for the rest of my life. How can I eat this in a really nourishing way? And then I also did a lot of juicing. So I did a lot of beet juice and a lot of green juice. So now that I look back, I can see that the science behind like when we drink chlorophyll from the green juice, how it alkali somebody and how chlorophyll really detoxes our cancer from the cells, I can see that that helped tremendously to really heal my body and my new system. And then the beet juice as well helped to clear up my gut because I had a lot of blockages in my gut, you know, and some doctors believe that all cancers and all disease really stem from the gut. So I knew I had to really clean that out. So I did beet juice every day as well.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:10:00] Yeah. So the way I look at it is that there’s a natural sugars, those come straight from nature and you might even say that God curse them for us and intended us to eat them. And that’s where we should source our sugars rather than persons refined sugar. So it’s very natural for human beings to crave sugar. And if we just get the sugars from fruits and vegetables, that’s ideal. So even then we can look at honey, maple syrup, coconut sugar that’s even being processed to a certain degree. Those things are certainly a lot better than light sugar. But the most wholesome sugars that our body is able to digest comes from fruits and vegetables. And if we only eat, those were our entire life. We would probably be cancer free for a lifetime. You know, as long as we didn’t have environmental stress, mental stress and stuff in our DNA, that we had to kind of break and change. So I would say, you know, embrace natural sugars. And for me, when I was crossing that bridge from eating the junk food because I was so addicted. Right. My cells for five years got used to eating these refined sugars. And so when I was like, okay, I can’t eat like that anymore. I needed to eat a lot of natural sugars to help me cross that bridge and to not crave processed sugar.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:11:22] So I would eat like up to 20 chocolate bowls a day and I would have six juices a day, all with lots of apple and lots of beet. And they were really sweet juices because that was filling my sugar craving. And that’s how I was not able to crave sugar again or, you know, any other person, sugar cane sugar or corn syrup. So I know a lot of people are afraid of sugar, but if we just source it naturally, then we’re good. But some people want to give up sugar for a while. Just do a detox for a few months, which is totally helpful, but it’s not realistic. I don’t believe to say I’m just never going to eat sugar again, even fruits and vegetables, because the body will eventually crave something. And even if it’s just a little bit of fruit here and there. But that’s a question I get a lot is OK if I have cancer, should I give up sugar? And I interviewed a lot of people for my new book that cancer survivors or even going through treatments now. And one thing is they are craving a lot of sugar, especially when they’re doing chemo and radiation. Their body just feels depleted of energy. So they do have sugar cravings to get that quick energy rush. So when I’m talking to them, I’m like, OK, well, if you’re having sugar cravings, it’s obviously better for you to eat this natural cookie dough sweetened with honey or coconut sugar than you just to go out to Seven Eleven and get the worst type of cookies.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:12:56] Yeah. So that definitely is a good debate for both sides. And I just believe that each person should do what they feel intuitively is the best for them. For me, when I first got sick, I tried to fast. And I thought, OK, I’m going to go on a liquid cleanse. Father is going to have soups and juices and I’ll be vegan. And, you know, totally plant based. And I’ll cleanse out my body by the end of day one. I was so drained of energy by the end of day to. The tumor in my neck felt hotter. I felt more swollen. Like I didn’t feel like that was helping at all. So I was like, okay, you know, I need to eat some cooked foods, warm foods and some meat. So I actually was able to heal my body by incorporating meats, you know, here and there and not like every single day. And then the meat that I did, sauces or, you know, organic chicken, good quality, grass fed beef and wild fish. So that really worked for me. However, I do know people who have also healed cancer going vegan.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:13:51] So it’s really just a personal choice of, OK. This feels right for me. This doesn’t. And I also interviewed Anita Moorjani for the book. She’s a cancer survivor and she did the same thing. You know, when she got cancer, everyone told her, OK. You have to go real vegan, raw vegan, real vegan. That’s going to help heal. And she said she did that. And her tumors spread like wildfire and she felt terrible. So for her. And she looked into Ayurveda and she thought, OK, well, my body type and say that I should be eating some meats and some one country. So she incorporated warm cooked foods and meats and she started to feel a lot stronger and feel a lot better. So it definitely is a personal choice. I just encourage everyone who’s, you know, has cancer to say, OK, well, what feels right? Do I want to be mostly plant based, maybe four, five days of the week? I’m completely vegan and maybe two days of the week I have some wild fish or some organic meat.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:15:32] Yeah, she’s doing great. Actually, I share her crazy sexy being chili recipe in the book. So I’m very glad that that’s in the book. Yeah.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:17:39] Yes. Oh, my gosh, I was so excited to put this list together because I really wanted to dive into all the research and all the scientific studies that they’ve been doing to show which foods are the strongest and have the best results in actually curing cancer cells and reducing tumors. So in the book there’s like twenty three pages of end notes, like I really, really did a lot of research for the science part of it. So this is what I discovered. The top three basically anti cancer or cancer killing foods on planet earth. Uh-Huh. Well, number one is broccoli sprouts and that’s attributed to the that’s in broccoli sprouts. Number two is turmeric. And number three is blueberries. So that is the top three.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:18:35] Yeah. I love adding them to soups as well. Salads is definitely a good one. And then they’re just a great garnish on anything. You know, even if I make like a chicken tender recipe, I’ll sprinkle some broccoli sprouts on top as well. And juicing is a really potent way to get it. So actually putting it into the fresh juice, that is. Yeah. That’s awesome. Because then you’re getting a huge dose of Sephora Fane, which they’ve done studies in humans and in mice and they’ve injected them their tumors with the or every single tumor dissolves every single one. So I thought that was awesome. And then the other way that I like to incorporate the broccoli sprouts is just to eat about a handful. They’re so tasty like that. So since for the last 10 years since I have healed, I committed to having one green juice every single day just to get that chlorophyll into my body and keep it alkaline. And so I’ve done that.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:19:28] So like, I always opt for a fresh green juice. But on days when I’m not able to do that or from traveling, I have a greens powder and the greens powder. I have actually have broccoli sprouts in it. So I think that’s super cool. Like if someone’s not able to get fresh broccoli sprouts, you can get a greens powder or even just broccoli sprouts supplement as well. But definitely if whoever is listening that has cancer, definitely on a side property, broccoli sprouts like today and just kind of get that support or find in your system.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:20:06] So the suggested dosage that I found in my research online was to heal cancer. 2.5 ounces of broccoli sprouts a day, which is, you know, is quite substantial but doable. And that’s also good for preventing cancer as well. Like since I found out about the power of broccoli sprouts, like now I incorporate it into my diet just to keep my body super ankle’s and healthy and hopefully never a breeding ground for cancer again.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:20:46] Yeah, I mean, all sprouts are typically good because they have a lot of life force energy and a lot of like healthy components, but broccoli sprouts in particular because they are the highest form or support or fan on the planet than any other food like broccoli also has sulforaphane, but it’s much more reduced. So the broccoli sprouts is just so potent and it’s said that on the third day, like when you’re planting broccoli seeds on the third day there, it’s a nice little sprout. So that’s when you want to pick it and that’s when it’s highest in the for fame. The other sprouts on as high into four or five, if any at all.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:21:39] Yeah. Grow your own sprouts. And then I would definitely recommend just getting a broccoli sprouts powder and supplement as well.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:22:01] Yeah. So turmeric, it’s probably the most studied and talked about food for preventing and healing cancer. So definitely a good one to incorporate. So my favorite way is to make the chicken tender recipe. And we wanted to do big and you could do eggplant and basically you just dip it in some egg and then dip that into some almond flour with some turmeric and some sea salt. If you want to go, not for you, could you tiger nut flour as well? But that combination gives such a nice coating and it’s a great alternative to a breading. So it’s a nice gluten-free bread and those can be baked or cooked in a pan with some coconut oil and they come out so golden and crispy and delicious. And that’s really attributed to the tumeric, sir. That’s delicious.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:22:44] And then also, I just love to add it to a smoothie, like a 6 kick smoothie is one of the recipes in the book. So that orange, grapefruit, lemons and ginger that have kind pepper and some turmeric. So it’s super tasty, but also super potent. So adding it to any smoothies whenever possible. And then also to add to tea or add to some hot water with some lemon and some honey is a great way so you can drink it or make a nice golden milk or like a turmeric latte as well.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:23:25] So I’ll use both. You know, if I always have the powdered turmeric on hand, which is easy to get and have in the kitchen always. But every now and then, if I come across fresh turmeric in the store, I’ll grab it because I do love that fresh element, especially putting it into smoothies and juices as well.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:24:09] So blueberries are a superfood and basically there’s been a lot of tests and studies that are all the fruits in terms of healing cancer. And blueberries came out the number one for healing cancer out of all the fruits. So I thought that was awesome. You know, there are some very indigenous fruits that haven’t been studied a lot, especially in Australia, like the Kakadu plum, which is said to have 50 times more vitamin C, then oranges. So, for example, like those might be able to heal cancer as well, be very powerful, but they just haven’t been studied and they’re not as common. So blueberries are the number one most common fruit for healing cancer and preventing cancer. And it’s just because they’re so high in antioxidants, like really, really, really high in antioxidants, which is just awesome. And they also have vitamin C. So boosting the immune system.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:24:58] So I love to just eat them as a snack. You know, I’ll eat an entire like little bucket of them, especially in the summer. It’s so nice and filling. And just to get that big dose of antioxidants. So I would definitely say like one blueberries in season, you can eat like a lot of them and just get that into the body. And then I also love to put them in the freezer so that they’re nice and frozen. So if especially in the summer craving like an ice pop or an ice cream type situation, just going in and grabbing like a frozen blueberry and eating that nice frozen treats. And then I also love to put it in a smoothie like I make a chocolate berry smoothie. So I just put some pro-cal powder and some blueberries and presumably berries and some strawberries with some almond butter or some fluorescent butter and a bit of honey. And it’s like this delicious chocolate very smoothie.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:26:24] Well, astragalus is a root. So anything that’s a root and going back to the indigenous education. So we look at how the fruit grows and how it might be healing through our body. So in terms of the indigenous aspect of astragalus as it’s a root and so that is very grounding for us and can heal us for on our core and he’ll really heal our gut. So and other things like onions and garlic and potatoes, you know, those are all root vegetables so that, you know, that has a healing element in itself. And then astraddle, this is basically just known for boosting immunity. And a lot of doctors, you know, the functional progressive doctors will recommend astragalus to anyone that needs to take care of their immune system. So it’s something that’s been more referred to for people who do have cancer. And it’s basically a plant and it belongs to the legume family. It’s very traditional in Chinese medicine as well.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:27:21] So it’s basically has a really good history of being a herbal remedy there. And they say that it helps to reinforce that cheat, that life force energy. It definitely has just such good, good vibes to it as well. Like, I love I take the supplements because, you know, you can do it in a powder as well, but or a tea. But I love taking the supplements and just having that feeling like, OK, it’s so my gut, you know, it feels feels really good. Yeah. So some people like to make it into a Tea though it tastes very earthy and very dirty like dirty and in a good way dirty.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:28:13] Yeah. You can find both of those and then you can also find a struggling powder. So you have a few different few different options. But yeah.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:28:33] Oh, my favorite supplement. Yes. So bentonite clay, volcanic ash. And I first heard about it when I had my tumor. I did a live blood test and I saw it on the screen, my blood like in lifetime. And I recommend everyone doing this. It’s fascinating to see what’s going on with your blood like right now. And so I basically saw that my blood was riddled with parasites, which was so disturbing, as you can imagine. And they were just like all these little worm things like in my blood. It was like it was repulsive. And I felt like they were invading my body and I want to get them get rid of them ASAP. And they also say that most people with cancer have way too many parasites.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:29:12] So that’s why bentonite clay come in handy. And so the naturopath who did that my blood test, said, if you start drinking bentonite clay, it will absorb the parasites and lock them into the vents and clays antibodies and take them out of the body. When the clay leaves the body. And so immediately I thought, wow, OK. That totally resonates with me. And that’s what I’m encouraging people to do in this book is because there are literally thousands of different super fruits and superfoods and supplements and natural cancer treatments that are out there that are old tools for us to use. But it doesn’t mean we have to use every single tool. It’s about finding out about majority of them and then whichever ones we feel most empowered to use, those are going to help the most.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:29:53] So I heard about bentonite clay was like, well, yes, I could see how that would be really effective for me. I did my research and I learned that it’s volcanic ash and it’s formed from sixty thousand years even to two million years to get to this powder. And it has strong magnetic properties. So whenever we drink it or put it on the outside of our skin, it straightaway starts to draw impurities into the bentonite clay. And so I started to drink that daily. And the Indians here in America actually use bentonite clay to purify the body. So it’s really great for purifying and helping to detox the body. And so you started your drinking and then I also made a paste out of it and put it on my neck to draw toxins out of the tumor. And then I also used to bathe in it as well as to draw toxins out of my skin. My whole idea was like, okay, I’m really toxic right now. Like, I have way too many toxins in my body, way too many parasites. So I need to drain it all out and detox. And so bentonite clay was a major factor in helping me do that. And I’ve incorporated bentonite clay for the last decade. And we’ll continue to you know, if I feel a build up, especially in living in New York City, if I feel like a heavy metal build up, I’ll drink the clay to really help to absorb all of that. So I definitely recommend every one looking into it more and seeing if it’s a good fit for you.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:31:24] So every three months I’ll drink it for a week or two and I’ll just add a teaspoon of bentonite clay into a water bottle and just shake it up and then I’ll just drink that throughout the day for a week or two. And I always just feel like, oh, wow, I feel really cleansed and my body feels, you know, really purified. So then I stop. Yeah. Every few months to keep drinking it, just to maintain health and to keep the environment of the cells in the body inhospitable to cancer.

Maria Marlowe: [00:32:28] OK. So let’s talk about some of the most toxic foods. And I think that we we all kind of know that our processed foods and junk foods aren’t really great for us. But can you explain a little bit why or if there are any certain things that we really need to look out for and make sure that we’re avoiding?

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:32:47] Yes, so you know, obviously, we need to go back to nature any more foods that actually provide the body with high amounts of nutrition and antioxidants and vitamins and minerals and stay away from all the process, manmade foods as much as possible. But in this chapter there, I really wanted to do a little research to find out if there are actually studies that link between certain processed foods and cancer. And I was sort of surprised and shocked to find a lot of studies. So I put together the list of the top 50 most toxic foods. And, you know, you and I properly, when you recall these foods like Franken foods or they just like these crazy things that we call foods, but the first one is refined sugar. So white sugar, brown sugar and corn syrup. So that is the top one to cut out. And, you know, it’s also one of the easiest as well, because we have so many sugar alternatives these days. We have coconut sugar, maple syrup and honey and fruits and dates and stevia. So it’s just so much easier to cut white sugar and the body just can’t break that down. So it just takes it into the cells and it creates a perfect environment for disease and for cancer to grow.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:34:59] Yes, of course. Like the chocolate brownies, chocolate sun butter cups cookie dough, ice cream made with cashews, plenty to satisfy the sweet tooth in a healthy, safe way. Yes, OK.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:35:16] Well, also on the list, I’ve got microwaved food, which some people are surprised about, but crude from microwave is technically being radiated. So that is something we definitely want to cut out. And a lot of it will just get rid of microwaves from their home completely because it does change the molecules of the food. And it was the World Health Organization classifies microwave radiation as a class to be a possible carcinogen. So I think that is fascinating. As soon as we put foods in there, even if that were healthy, you know, a lot of people heat their water to make coffee or tea in the microwave like it really makes the food or the water a carcinogen. We want to avoid anything from the microwave for sure.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:36:43] Yes. Yes. Exactly. It’s worth us spending the extra time to make sure we’re putting only good things into our body and not just throwing it in the microwave and eating that. And then another one that’s on the list is like food additives. So artificial sweeteners like aspartame and also stabilizes preservatives like benzonate. So I found a lot of studies on this and it got me thinking, wow, why are these things still allowed in our food system, which is just crazy. But, you know, if we look at Europe, a lot of these things are banned in Europe. They’re just not acceptable in their food industry. So it’s really just in the Western world that we need to look out for these preservatives and mostly in America. You know, we definitely need to stay away from them and just eat as natural as possible because they do weaken the immune system and create a lot of toxicity in the body. So, we want to avoid. That’s for sure.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:37:40] Alcohol. I was surprised about because, you know, I like to enjoy a drink here. And but a lot of studies show that excessive alcohol can create cancer, which totally makes sense, you know, because it weakens the liver and we can see immune system. So excessive alcohol is does increase your chances of getting cancer. But during a lot of studies, that’s for sure. If you drink like a glass of red wine every now and then, like it’s actually healthy and beneficial to you. So you definitely want to keep alcohol in moderation and a health hack that I love to use if I’m drinking is I’ll take activated charcoal supplement before I’ll have a drink and then I’ll take one after as well. It’s not just helps the liver to absorb the alcohol and digest it out the body so that the liver is not having to do all the work on its own.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:38:35] Like you still get sort of the buzz from the alcohol, but you don’t get like a hangover or the aftermath of it. So it doesn’t affect the enjoyment of it, but it just helps. Like after. Yeah. It’s a great health hack. I lot of people love that one.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:39:28] Yeah, I mean, it’s it’s healing all of it with cancer. It’s healing the mind, the body and the soul. And I mean, I do other than through it, like that was a first step for me was I needed to heal with food and nourish myself with food. And then after that, I needed to heal some emotional stuff and some mental stuff and then had that spiritual connection. So I actually did write a whole chapter on this, the spiritual path to Healing Cancer, which wasn’t able to be in the book because I ended up with one hundred and forty thousand words, which is just a huge book. So that is a bonus material for anyone who’s preordering the book right now. They’re getting that chapter.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:40:05] In that chapter, I go in two different affirmations that you can use for your mind if you have cancer, because I found that like myself and others who have cancer, there’s a certain mindset and certain emotional status with cancer. You know, it’s obviously not enjoyable. It’s not you know, it’s not a good diagnosis at all. And it can create a lot of depression and anxiety. So I give a lot of affirmations for that and different healing modalities that people use. And I actually do a lot of spiritual warfare. So, you know, my beliefs reside on the Christian side of things. And so a lot of prayer and, you know, just asking God for help. Like in every single moment that you might feel despair, it’s just like, oh, God, please help me. Please help me. Like, guide me with what I need to do today to help heal my body and help me heal cancer. And just to realize that it was it’s not actually God’s plan for anyone to get cancer and then to suffer and die from it. I really just don’t believe that’s what we were designed to do. And I believe where we’re designed to be happy and joyful every single day and really enjoy our life every single day. So if we look at it from that way, it’s like, OK, this is just a dis ease. Let’s heal this and just asking for guidance and help from God to be guided throughout the day of like, OK. Eat this food or, you know, talk to this person and heal that situation or forgive this person. And all of that definitely is involved in the healing process as well.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:42:22] Yeah. And it’s not we’re not meant to feel bad from it, too. That’s one thing I learned is that, you know, if we have cancer or health crisis, it’s so easy to be stressed about it and feel stressful all day. But that’s actually not going to help. So we just have to kind of come outside of ourselves and be like, okay, well, this is a diagnosis, but I’m not going to feel stressed about it all day because this doesn’t help. And, you know, they’ve done some great research on how stress does weaken the immune system and can cause disease. So we know that. So we definitely don’t want to be like stress all day. Like I have cancer or cancer. It’s gonna get worse. We have to still enjoy our life and take care of the things we know we have to take care of to increase our chances of hearing it. And yeah, I mean, some person dying of cancer I think is is not good. And, you know, I’d love to see a cancer free world and it’s possible. So we do still have to do the steps to make sure that our body just can’t grow the cancer and we can just stop killing those cancer cells. Yeah.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:43:50] Yeah. There’s over 150 recipes. I also had a lot of them. So there’s also be bonus material for people who pre-order me. I was over one hundred and fifty and it’s for every type of eater. There’s a lot of vegan recipes and a lot of meat eater recipes as well.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:44:14] So just pre-order from Amazon or Barnes and Noble. I would definitely encourage Barnes and Noble. You know, we want to keep bookstores alive, but I understand if people have to get it from Amazon quickly, so then just email your receipt to [email protected]. And then you get a video course and you get all of these bonuses. And this is just while it’s been preordering time. But after that, you know, I’ll still offer bonuses as well. So just check in on cancerfreefromfood.com That’s the website for the book. So you’ll be all updated with everything there.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:45:04] Would be to have chlorophyll every single day in the form of a greens powder or a green drink or eating broccoli sprouts. And that chlorophyll just helps us to be so much happier and more positive because it just puts so much oxygen in the body and it analyzes the body. So when the body feels good, it’s much easier for us to be thinking more positive thoughts and just feeling better. So one green drink with chlorophyll every single day. That’s what I would say.

Liana Werner-Gray: [00:45:50] Oh, thank you so much for having me.